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What is a relationship, ontologically?
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- Relationships are separate entities from the participants.
- A relationship is nothing but an agreement to be in a relationship.
- The relationship has its own identity — it's its own entity.
- A relationship has no moral weight and no real causal power. It's more about people's orientation to the
thing.
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What is good for the relationship vs. the participants?
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- What is good for a relationship isn't always good for the participants, which I believe to be evidence of how a relationship is a separate entity.
- E.g. lying is good for the relationship because it maintains its state — though it does undermine the
grounds of the relationship, maybe. But lying is bad for the participants because you're treating the
other person as a means to an end.
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Relationship ≠ shared future or memories
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A relationship is not a shared future or shared memories — that's all different stuff that's related, but
more like "shared memories" is its own thing.
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Can breakups be unilateral?
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- I have previously argued: breakups should never be unilateral and I still stand by this.
- But: the moment someone doesn't want a relationship anymore, you kind of cease to have a relationship.
So breakups can be unilateral in practice.
- You can one-sidedly leave a relationship with someone. You can't stop someone from breaking up with you.
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Ghosting as dissolution — does it work?
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- If you were dating someone and literally stopped speaking to them for three months, they would say
you're broken up.
- But even still, there's a mental declaration — the person dissolves the agreement somehow. Or maybe
they've broken the terms of the agreement.
- It's not as crazy to say ghosting can end a real romantic relationship — it just doesn't happen as often
and isn't as normalized as it is with friendships.
- You probably wouldn't ghost your best friend any more than your lover, if you actually value them.
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Statute of limitations?
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If you never broke up with someone, would you say you're not with them? Is there a statute of limitations?
What would deal with that?
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Is there a speech act that creates/ends relationships?
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- Maybe there's a speech act that starts and ends relationships. (Note: not per se a literal spoken act —
can be in writing or text.)
- Some relationships slide into romantic ones without a formal ask — but the speech act is still there:
declaring "we are dating," maybe backdated. The declaration is still happening, just implicitly.
- Maybe something implicit to the declaration of all romantic relationships is: I declare it, and so we
must also declare it when it's done — something not inherent to friendships.
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Are relationships created by agreement, or are they the agreement itself?
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Is a relationship something created by an agreement, or is it the agreement in
and of itself? What is the actual entity of a relationship?
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Why does romantic dissolution need to be explicit but friendship dissolution doesn't?
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- If you have a friend and don't talk for five years, or something bad happened and you ghost each other,
it's commonly understood you're probably not friends anymore.
- Trying to think of why a friend breakup doesn't have to be explicit whereas a romantic breakup does.
- One possibility: you can have multiple friends, but not (typically) multiple romantic partners.
Polyamory complicates this, but even then you wouldn't ghost a poly partner and claim you're still
together.
- It's not really related to love — maybe something else accounts for the difference.
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Reciprocal intention view
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- First thought: relationships are about reciprocal intention — if you both want to be friends, you're
friends.
- But: if two people want to be friends but have never spoken, does that mean they're friends? That
doesn't seem right.
- Example: two online artists who follow each other and think each other are cool and want to be friends —
are they friends? Not an impossible view, but something to consider.
- The reciprocal view also implies that in a loveless marriage, cheating is not a moral harm at all. This
does map onto some intuitions — people treat loveless marriages as a more acceptable reason to be
unfaithful, though not totally forgiving.
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Are relationships constituted by love?
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- Tempted to say: relationships are created out of love. If you're in a relationship but don't love them,
in some sense it feels like it's not a relationship.
- With friendships especially: if you haven't spoken in a long time and something bad happened, but there
was never an explicit friend-breakup, it's commonly understood you don't love that friend anymore and
you're not friends anymore.
- Note: love and relationships are different things, so this may not bear on e.g. love as a union.
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What intent is required to create a relationship?
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- There are initialization conditions / intent that must be held by the speaker. You can't say "let's
date" jokingly and actually be in a relationship.
- The only relevant intent is that you want to create the relationship. If you're joking, you obviously
don't mean it, so nothing is created.
- But if you nefariously want the relationship, it still gets created — for the wrong reasons, but that
doesn't obscure the ability to create one. It's just founded on false pretenses. E.g. being in a
relationship with someone using a false name still seems like a real relationship.
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Indexing participants: who are you really in a relationship with?
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- In the false-name / false-pretenses case: maybe you were in a relationship with a certain version of
someone. If they turn out not to be that person, that's maybe grounds for dissolving the relationship.
- So when you have a relationship with someone under a false name, it was with that entity, not with the
actual real person. The indexing of the participants is interesting.
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What kind of ontological entity is a relationship?
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- Need to look into the types of ontological entities: agreement vs. commitment vs. contract. Are there
relevant differences?
- Maybe the right entity type has certain properties that actually map onto relationships better and
explain how they are created and destroyed.
- Choosing the entity type matters because of its logical consequences — downstream effects differ
depending on which view you take.
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Relationship terms — social script or negotiated?
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Is a relationship contract always negotiated between two people, or is it a social script that sets the
parameters? If a partner has exclusive fidelity expectations built into the "agreement," that's only because
of the terms — which is a little different from the relationship itself having that property.
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